Hagoromo outwardly seemed to be devoted to the Ninja World, even sealing his own mother to protect this world.

But in reality, no one knows what he was truly thinking.

If he desired peace and wanted to spread love, then why did he tacitly allow the Ninja World to be plagued by constant warfare?

Why is it that every reincarnation of Asura Chakra could suppress the reincarnation of Indra Chakra?

Some reincarnations of Indra Chakra could have suppressed the reincarnation of Asura Chakra, even coming close to winning, but were ultimately defeated when Asura Chakra's bearer suddenly grew stronger. This is what Katsuyu told Kazuki before.

If Hagoromo wasn't manipulating things behind the scenes, Kazuki would never believe it.

Hagoromo might not allow others to do as they please in his Ninja World. Therefore, until his strength surpasses that of the Sage of Six Paths, Kazuki didn't dare to initiate reforms that would change the entire Ninja World.

Besides Hagoromo, there is also Isshiki, both of whom are existences he needs to be wary of.

"Madara once thought about unifying all Five Great Nations, killing the Daimyo, and then establishing a nation managed by ninja."

Kazuki continued, his words shocking. "But he was stopped by the First Hokage."

"What's interesting is that the Second Hokage, Tobirama, who was always at odds with Madara, didn't step forward to stop Madara at that time."

"What?"

Kazuki's words left everyone else utterly stunned. They hadn't expected such a turn of events.

"That Madara, he's the Uchiha who founded Konoha with grandpa, right?" Nawaki quickly asked.

Kazuki nodded slightly and said, "Yes, he and the First Hokage were both rivals and friends, and the founding of Konoha is related to them."

"At that time, either the First Hokage-sama or Madara alone was enough to suppress the entire Ninja World. The so-called Five Kage were nothing more than ants they could crush with a flick of their hand."

"They had already far surpassed the existence of Kage."

"Actually, at first, Hashirama wanted Madara to become Hokage, but he was blocked by the Second Hokage, who allied with other clans."

"After all, the relationship between the Uchiha clan and the Senju clan wasn't very good before. They were even enemies who had fought for thousands of years."

"It was inevitable for Tobirama to be wary of Uchiha, and Madara's personality did have a bit of a problem. It was very normal for him not to be acknowledged."

"Is that so?" Nawaki's face furrowed, then he gave a hearty laugh.

"The Senju clan and the Uchiha clan fought for thousands of years, but in the end, they still united to found Konoha. Both grandpa and Madara seem like great people."

Kazuki said, "Hmm, you can say Madara was bad in this way or that, or even a bit insane, and that he was extreme in his actions, but you cannot deny his pursuit of peace. Both he and the First Hokage spent their lives pursuing peace."

Kazuki's gaze deepened. "For peace, he could do many things."

Kazuki thought of the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan.

If he hadn't been completely disappointed with the real world, would Madara have endured such loneliness? And then stubbornly pushed forward the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan?

"Madara? Grandma rarely talks about him." Nawaki sighed softly.

"Why wasn't the world unified back then? If it had been unified, would there have been no war?" Minato, however, asked, his words equally shocking.

Minato also pursued peace.

Konoha had been in a state of war for over two years, and although it hadn't escalated into full-scale conflict, many ninjas had fallen on the battlefield.

Minato had a neighbor who sacrificed himself on the front lines, and an elder who once mentored him lost a leg.

Watching the forlorn figure of the other party after losing his leg, Minato felt heavy-hearted.

War wasn't a good thing.

"Unification? Back then, everyone was only accustomed to conflict between clans."

"Everything after the establishment of the village needed to be re-planned, and ninjas were not very good at governing a nation."

"Therefore, under the leadership of the First Hokage, the village and the Daimyo collaborated to establish the one-nation, one-village system."

Kazuki spoke eloquently, "Moreover, while unifying all countries at once could suppress everything, it wouldn't lead to good governance."

"Where there are people, there is conflict. Even if the entire Ninja World were unified, there would still be internal disputes."

"This is true even for the current village, and even within large clans, there are also disputes."

"Where there are people, there is conflict?" Minato nodded thoughtfully.

He felt that Kazuki's words made a lot of sense. Leaving aside other things, if Kazuki were to become Hokage in the future, he would inevitably have to compete with others for the position of Hokage.

If he didn't acknowledge Kazuki, Minato would want to compete for the Hokage position, which is a form of competition.

So what about between villages and villages, nations and nations?

Minato then thought of the concept of peace that Jiraiya had once spoken of. No matter how he looked at it, Jiraiya's idea seemed a bit too naive.

"Alright, the main reason I brought you out this time is to let you experience the atmosphere of war and to improve your combat experience." Kazuki then ended the topic.

Whether it was Minato or Rinka, they were actually Kazuki's future core group. He wanted to subtly influence them with his own ideas, and he hoped that when he reformed the Ninja World in the future, these people would not stand against him.

Sasuke was tragic. After sealing Kaguya, he wanted to reform the Ninja World, but he encountered the conservative Naruto. In the end, he lost to Naruto and was forced to accept Naruto's ideology.

In fact, Kazuki was very supportive of Sasuke's initial desire for change, but Naruto was too unreliable.

In the end, Naruto didn't accomplish anything, not even helping the Land of Rain, even though he had promised Nagato he would take care of the Land of Rain.

Ultimately, Naruto was nothing more than empty talk. He would always just talk, but never put it into practice.

Kazuki wanted the people around him to follow him all the way.

As if remembering something, Nawaki said with a sorrowful expression, "By the way, Kazuki, do you think grandma will make a move in the end?"